Roger V de Toeni

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• Background Information. ¹⁴¹
Roger V de Toeni, 2^nd but 1^st surviving son and heir, was born Michaelmas 1235. His marriage and the custody of his lands were granted to Queen Eleanor during his minority, 26 Apr 1242; and he did homage therefor between 1 and 15 Oct 1256, being then of full age. On 15 Oct also the Earl of Hereford and Essex was ordered to deliver Painscastle to Roger, who held it in chief by knight's service. He had licence for life, 8 Dec 1256, to hunt with his own dogs the hare, fox, cat and badger in cos. Southampton, Somerset, Dorset and Wilts; was summoned to join the Earl of Hereford in defence of the Welsh marches between Montgomery and Gloucester, July, and had gone to Wales with Edward, the King's son, before 22 Oct 1257; was among those summoned to meet the King in London with all the service they owed, April 1260; had a protection, crossing with the Queen beyond seas, 1 Jul 1262; and was summoned to be at Hereford, February 1262/3, for action against Llewellyn. He was living, 10 Jun 1263, and is said to have supported the King in the Barons' War, but was dead before the battle of Lewes (14 May 1264).

Roger married,* before 1255, Isabel. He died before 12 May 1264, when Isabel's marriage was granted to Edmund, the King's son. She was living, February 1264/5.

* A contract of marriage between Roger, then aged 3, and Alice, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, was confirmed by the King, 30 Jun 1239. According to the Fundatorum Progenies of Llanthony this marriage did take place and Alice was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester. However, nothing more is known of Alice and, as stated above, Roger's marriage was granted to the Queen, 26 Apr 1242.

~Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition,(Tony), Vol. XIIA, pp. 771-772

Taken From Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 12, Part 1: Tony :

In fact, Alice clearly did marry Roger, and was the mother of his son and heir, Ralph, as shown by the evidence below. The date of "before 1255" for Roger's marriage to Isabel, which is based on the belief that she was Ralph's mother, is therefore also incorrect.

The marriage contract referred to above is printed in The Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268, ed E. Mason, p.214 (1980), together with a grant by Humphrey de Bohun to Roger de Tosny, of the manors of Newton (Tony) and (East) Coulston, Wiltshire, in marriage with his daughter Alice (p.216). The manors were given in free marriage to be held by Roger and his heirs by Alice, and were to revert to Humphrey if Alice died without issue. This grant is dated by Mason to probably c.1251, when Roger reached the age of 14.

The previous grant to Queen Eleanor on 26 April 1242, referred to by Complete Peerage, was in fact a grant of the lands only, not of the marriage and lands [Cal. Patent Rolls, 1232-47, p.283]; it is referred to again as a grant of the lands in a subsequent grant of scutage to Queen Eleanor, on 3 May [Cal. Close Rolls, 1237-42, p.422]. (A later order, dated 12 February 1243/4, does refer to the lands and the marriage of the heir having been granted to the queen, but this is presumably an error [Cal. Close Rolls, 1242-47, p.158].)

The manor of Newton Tony descended to Roger's son Ralph (d.1295) and then to his son Robert [Victoria County History, Wiltshire, vol.15, p.146]. East Coulston passed to Walter de Beauchamp, who married Roger's daughter Alice, and later to their descendants [Victoria County History, Wiltshire, vol.8, p.235].

[Douglas Richardson pointed out this error in November 2001]

Roger married Alice de Bohun, daughter of Sir Humphrey V de Bohun Knight, Earl of Hereford and Essex and Maud de Lusignan. (Alice de Bohun was born before 1239 in East Coulston Manor, Wiltshire, England ¹⁴¹ and died after 1296 ¹⁴¹.)