Robert de Meynell

  Noted events in his life were:

• From Gen-Medieval Archives: Emma Meinill. ¹⁹³
From: "Rosie Bevan" <cbevan@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Emma Meinill
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:04:11 +1200

Yes, I noticed there was no mention of William which is a bit of a conundrum. If that is the case, then William de Meynell (father of Hugh fl 1251) cannot be son of Robert I as stated in Burke's Landed Gentry and in Meynell of Langley Meynell pedigrees, or his issue would have been heir to Robert too. William and his issue must be descendants of Gilbert Meynell. The Meynells continued holding land of Mathew Hathersage and his descendants for in Kirby's Quest 22-25 Hen III 1238-1240, there is mention under Totingley of Egidius Meynell holding of William de Meynell his brother for one third of a knight's fee. William held of the heirs of Mathew de Hathersage, and they of the king in chief.

I am dubious about the early part of the pedigree given for the presentation to Whitewell church. For reasons given in my last post, Emma and Cecily were unlikely to have been sisters of Isabel and Joan. In addition, this pedigree was recorded some 80-90 years after the deaths of Isabel and Joan and liable to error. The other pedigree, however is contemporary, and therefore more likely to be accurate. There is also the problem of determining the meaning of the word "Consanguineas". If we take it literally then Mathew de Hathersage and Matilda Goushill would have been cousins of Isabel Meinell.
Constructing the pedigree, then:

1.GILBERT de MEYNELL (of Dalby, Leics.?) married an heir of Ralph Fitz Hubert

2.ROBERT de MEYNELL in 1162 held 5 fees of Barlborough, Whitewell, Clune, Stretton, Egstow, and Hanley

3. EMMA DE MEYNELL
+ Mathew de Hathersage
4. MATHEW de HATHERSAGE d.s.p. 1259
+ Annora Mark, da of Philip Mark
4. CECILIA de HATHERSAGE
+ Nigel de Longford (1205- (Pipe Roll 104 r17 44 Hen III 1259 New Oblations Nigel de Langford and Matilde de Gousle, next heirs of Mathew Hathersage)
4.MATILDA de HATHERSAGE
+ Walter Goushill

3.CECILIA de MEYNELL
+ ADAM de CRIDLING
4.ADAM de CRIDLING

3.ROBERT de MEYNELL paid 100s relief for one knight's fee of the Honour of Peverel in 1186 d.s.p.m.1194
4.ISABEL (c1182-d.s.p.1228)
+ Sewal fil Henry d.c 1210 (Pipe no 40 r6 6 Ric I 1195 Sewal fil Henry 50 pounds for having the daughters of Robert de Maisnil and their lands.)
+ John de Neville (Pipe No 56 r 12 12 John (1210) New Oblations John de Nevill 700m for his passage, and for having to wife Isabella, the widow of Sewell fil Henry, with her whole inheritance and dower ; H de Neville and Philip de Ulecotes are bail for 300m.) d. by 1220
+ Ralph Musard (Pipe No 70 r 11 10 Henry III 1225 "Ralph Musard 15m for having the land which was Walter de Godardsvill's and Johanna, hiswife, sister of Isabelle, wife of the said Ralph, and of whom Isabel was next heir when the king took the homage of the said Ralph, and conceded by the fine that he should have seizin of the said land, by the pledge of Wm de Meinel 3m, Hy de Cubbele 3m, Roger fil Propositus 3m, Roger Parmenter 2m, Wm fil Hugh 2m and John de Bosco 2m)
4. JOAN d.s.p. 1226
+ Sewal de Munjoy (Pipe no 45 r 15 1 John 1199 Sewell fil Henry 100 and 1 dextria and 1 palfrey which Com G ought to have received for the marriage of his sister Isabelle to Sewell, his nephew (nepos)
+ Philip de Ulecote (Pipe no 46 r12 John 1200 Philip de Ulecotes 100 pounds and 1 dextria for having to wife Johanna the sister [in law] of Sewell fil Henry)
+ Oliver de Albini d.c.1225
+ Walter de Godarvil (Pipe no.70 r 11 10 Hen III 1225 Walter Godardvill owes 200m for having Joan to wife as mentioned in roll 8)